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MilitaryGuy wrote:
With the huge impending influx of foreign workers to Guam, it appears that Filipinos will easily become an ethnic super majority on Guam in the coming years. This may spell trouble for Guam's traditional ruling elitists who have simply “taken” for decades now without acting in the people's [or the island’s] best interest. Additionally, the people who have continually elected these people into power will also no doubt be viewed as complicit. Call it what you will but I smell some potential payback coming – most likely in the form of many more Filipino Senators being elected to serve in the Guam Legislature. A Filipino Governor is a distinct possibility in the coming years as well. Time will tell if this is true progress for Guam.06/02/2009 5:26:25 p.m. CST
CaptJerry wrote:
I hope he ships over the "working girls," too! If he does, it will make Guam the port of call choice for the U.S. Navy. Just like the old days. :<) Ah, I can see it now. Marine Drive lined with bars, blasting out great music. Small hotels popping up everywhere. Jeepnies running all over the place. Now we're talking some serious capital venture!06/02/2009 5:09:47 p.m. CST
beach671 wrote:
David Tydinco is the Younex Senior Vice President that got the contract along with Agility to provide housing for the H-2's.He's also the Chairman of the Board for the Guam Visitors Bureau and Legal counsel for the Chamorro Land Trust Commission. President of the Guam Hotel & Restaurant Association. He submitted comments on the Federal Register that he's the Chairman of the Board for the Guam Visitor's Bureau about immigration. When he went to Taiwan with Felix he claimed he's the Guam Museum Foundation Chairman as well on that trip.He knows who he wants and who he's going to bring in. Who ever talks the most cash. That will be Fillapino's. He'd be able to charge them more for rent than a chinese worker or someone else.He's been getting Chamorro Land for free:http://guam.mvarietynews.com/images/stories/a00/7/aiadai.jpgHe is Guam. I'm betting he's bringing in Fillapino workers. He likes money.06/02/2009 4:44:43 p.m. CST
cruzinlaw wrote:
The question is why haven't the Chamorros who moved to the states not coming back to take advantage of the upcoming buildup? They certainly are the first choice to being hired if and when they make themselves available. So what's the reason?So where do we sign up?06/02/2009 4:28:15 p.m. CST
cowriespots wrote:
Gov Guam is not going to be able to enforce any labor laws....nor do they want to. The posted wages in the PDN for the H2 are almost poverty level. I thought my Econ 101 class taught me that higher demand brings higher pay for services or commodities....not here on Guam, This thing is happening way to fast for Gov Guam (actually thinks they are some little nation) to adjust to. The feds won't be able to handle it. If you think that abuses are not going to rampant, you know nothing about the H2 history here. We will have yezzz bosssss rats from the stinking feces lined streets of the most enviromentally degraded country in Asia coming here without a clue as to the consequences of their presence....all they wanna do is send money home to their sh%t hole so they can reproduce, a country of cowards, lowering living, labor, and enviromental standards wherever they alight. we are enabling them and their own country is deteriorating as we do. they are lowballers to the max.06/02/2009 4:21:35 p.m. CST
donbjr95 wrote:
Replying to MilitaryGuy:
Here’s the lipnus – who do the people of Guam overwhelmingly hire on a sideline basis to do projects [that require actual skill] around their property? Right - Filipinos far and away by a huge margin, they sure as hell ain’t hiring locals to do these projects because they want quality work done.All the rest of these BS racial comments come from people who obviously rode the short bus to school and don’t have a clue. What’s more, these silly racial comments illuminate a major educational shortfall in Guam – the ability to read and interpret newsprint.Major James Gordon and the long line of former Olongapo City Mayors from his family are not speaking authoritatively at all. Gordon is merely speculating and practicing wishful thinking that Olongapo will provide the lion share of labor for the military buildup in Guam. It is his job as Mayor to try and generate business for his community – nothing more, nothing less.
Well Said!!!!!!06/02/2009 4:20:00 p.m. CST
donbjr95 wrote:
Amazing.......PDN Approaching 80 comments.........?? So..whats the final view PDN?06/02/2009 4:18:17 p.m. CST
cruzinlaw wrote:
Replying to Loadtoad:
I see lots of complaints but less action from our local people. I read comments like, "we have people who are far skilled than those H2 workers." Then I ask you, why are these skilled people not getting the job? You see my friend, those "SKILLED" people are not putting the effort to get the job. They complain a lot how the Gov is corrupt. Stop pointing fingers and instead do some actions about it. Pointing fingers won't get the job done. I think these people are just to lazy to even try to get the job. All they do is sit in their buttocks and wait for a phone call from company to hire them. Unlike this Mr. Gordon guy, he does not wait for a phone call, rather he advertise his workers. This is how you get jobs from different country. Ill end this by saying, "Stop complaining if you are not willing to put effort in"
Where does one go to find these jobs?06/02/2009 4:14:46 p.m. CST
fchase wrote:
H2 workers get anchored in Guam. Eventually they bring their wife and 8 children to Guam. The breadwinner earns $20k a year. The family vacuums up $70K in public education each year and taps into a variety of local and federal social programs. Then come additional sponsored family members. More U.S. taxpayer money gets sucked up. No one will deny that they're a hardworking, talented people but the overbreeding, poverty relationship is obviously of little or no concern. Stay in your own country and improve it? Can't. No time. Too many kids to feed. Solution? Like Mexico and Latin America.....export your poverty. Export the same breeder culture that turned your country into an economic black hole.06/02/2009 4:07:00 p.m. CST
cruzinlaw wrote:
Replying to islandboz:
Guess they have to hire more H2 workers from the P.I. Guam lack skill workers.
Guam could use more H-1 workers (skilled). Not H-2 which are unskilled by definition06/02/2009 4:00:53 p.m. CST
MilitaryGuy wrote:
Here’s the lipnus – who do the people of Guam overwhelmingly hire on a sideline basis to do projects [that require actual skill] around their property? Right - Filipinos far and away by a huge margin, they sure as hell ain’t hiring locals to do these projects because they want quality work done.All the rest of these BS racial comments come from people who obviously rode the short bus to school and don’t have a clue. What’s more, these silly racial comments illuminate a major educational shortfall in Guam – the ability to read and interpret newsprint.Major James Gordon and the long line of former Olongapo City Mayors from his family are not speaking authoritatively at all. Gordon is merely speculating and practicing wishful thinking that Olongapo will provide the lion share of labor for the military buildup in Guam. It is his job as Mayor to try and generate business for his community – nothing more, nothing less.06/02/2009 3:40:38 p.m. CST
donbjr95 wrote:
Replying to worldychamorro:
I am not familiar with the immigration laws but H-2 means temporarily but can the workers find ways to get of that status and end up staying on Guam?We need to make sure we send the foreign workers back because Guam cannot turn into another Hawaii where the locals there are the minority. I am not racist.
H2 is General NON skilled 'grunt & groan' Labor! The local Islanders here are well established and have a strong base to work from. I will NOT term they are 'Chamoro" as Moro is a Spanish term used for 'the enemy' both on Guam and in Mindanao. Spain fought bloody wars in their history with the Morros in Europe!Mindanao call themselves Bangsamorro; 'people of the Morro.' Again. this 'Morro' term is Spanish in origin and should be deleted here on Guam! I call Guam people simply..."people of Guahan"; Bangsa-Guahan?06/02/2009 3:02:42 p.m. CST
worldychamorro wrote:
I am not familiar with the immigration laws but H-2 means temporarily but can the workers find ways to get of that status and end up staying on Guam?We need to make sure we send the foreign workers back because Guam cannot turn into another Hawaii where the locals there are the minority. I am not racist.06/02/2009 2:54:36 p.m. CST
donbjr95 wrote:
Replying to islandboz:
My grudged on the Filipinos is that their government told the Americans to move out of their country, which they do not want, Americans in their country but just the money.
Check the Facts please! The USA was given an agenda for paying MORE....and the Tagalog Tribal Members of the Manila Circus Government (Not representing all of the PI) called it. The US called it back and said...'we are outta here!' Two can play poker here!!!06/02/2009 2:54:35 p.m. CST
donbjr95 wrote:
Wow! PDN has allowed the Comments to reach 70+ They usually cut it off at 20.....and then the next day news happens. Interesting here PDN. Perhaps you may address YOUR Agenda here??06/02/2009 2:49:27 p.m. CST
fchase wrote:
Replying to DaneJiRoos:
Replying to fchase:
Replying to Madantche:
i wonder whether these H2 workers will send their money off-ijsland?
Uh, yeah. The PI is a twitching corpse that gets millions of tiny cash infusions from all of it's expatriate workers. This provides the country just enough energy to breed millions of more expatriates to continue these tiny infusions. It's an economic model they stick with year after year.
Your reasoning sounds a lot like the US welfare system.
The U.S. welfare system is broken and a terrible burden to the U.S. taxpayer but has nothing to do with my reasoning.06/02/2009 2:46:53 p.m. CST
guamobserver wrote:
Replying to pinoy77:
I always cringe at these kinds of discussions where locals spit hate against foreign workers here on island. The problem is not the Filipinos trying to get jobs. The problem is the Guam Government not being able to provide support to the local workforce. The problem is poor enforcement of immigration and labor laws. The problem is locals not willing to receive minimum pay for an honest day of work.Well said. I wish that all those who make comments here seriously try and get a better grasp of the facts instead of allowing emotions to reduce their reasoning to rabid rants and raves. If unemployed statesiders really want to work here, they would've been here already. Workers from the Philippines were chosen by the Spaniards and later the Americans because they thought that culturally, Guam and Philippines are very similar.
06/02/2009 2:18:15 p.m. CST
guamobserver wrote:
Replying to islandboz:
My grudged on the Filipinos is that their government told the Americans to move out of their country, which they do not want, Americans in their country but just the money.
Didnt the Guam locals kick out the Americans by protesting their presence and trying to scale the military fences some years ago? AFter those events, NAS closed, military numbers on Guam decreased, and jobs were lost as a result. Hmm, I guess we're all in this together?06/02/2009 2:10:21 p.m. CST
islandboz wrote:
My grudged on the Filipinos is that their government told the Americans to move out of their country, which they do not want, Americans in their country but just the money.06/02/2009 1:10:39 p.m. CST
pinoy77 wrote:
I always cringe at these kinds of discussions where locals spit hate against foreign workers here on island. The problem is not the Filipinos trying to get jobs. The problem is the Guam Government not being able to provide support to the local workforce. The problem is poor enforcement of immigration and labor laws. The problem is locals not willing to receive minimum pay for an honest day of work. The problem is people wanting to get as much as possible for the least possible effort. The problem is dependence on dole outs and welfare. The problem is hypocrites crying "SAVE THE GUAM CULTURE" while they type in their comments from their cozy homes in the states. Please don't hate these foreign workers who practically work like slaves and get separated from their families just to put food on their tables. Don't hate them because they took the job that you didn't want to do. Don't hate them because their politicians find work for them, while your politicians make money out of it.06/02/2009 12:09:45 p.m. CST
MilitaryGuy wrote:
With the huge impending influx of foreign workers to Guam, it appears that Filipinos will easily become an ethnic super majority on Guam in the coming years. This may spell trouble for Guam's traditional ruling elitists who have simply “taken” for decades now without acting in the people's [or the island’s] best interest. Additionally, the people who have continually elected these people into power will also no doubt be viewed as complicit. Call it what you will but I smell some potential payback coming – most likely in the form of many more Filipino Senators being elected to serve in the Guam Legislature. A Filipino Governor is a distinct possibility in the coming years as well. Time will tell if this is true progress for Guam.06/02/2009 5:26:25 p.m. CST
CaptJerry wrote:
I hope he ships over the "working girls," too! If he does, it will make Guam the port of call choice for the U.S. Navy. Just like the old days. :<) Ah, I can see it now. Marine Drive lined with bars, blasting out great music. Small hotels popping up everywhere. Jeepnies running all over the place. Now we're talking some serious capital venture!06/02/2009 5:09:47 p.m. CST
beach671 wrote:
David Tydinco is the Younex Senior Vice President that got the contract along with Agility to provide housing for the H-2's.He's also the Chairman of the Board for the Guam Visitors Bureau and Legal counsel for the Chamorro Land Trust Commission. President of the Guam Hotel & Restaurant Association. He submitted comments on the Federal Register that he's the Chairman of the Board for the Guam Visitor's Bureau about immigration. When he went to Taiwan with Felix he claimed he's the Guam Museum Foundation Chairman as well on that trip.He knows who he wants and who he's going to bring in. Who ever talks the most cash. That will be Fillapino's. He'd be able to charge them more for rent than a chinese worker or someone else.He's been getting Chamorro Land for free:http://guam.mvarietynews.com/images/stories/a00/7/aiadai.jpgHe is Guam. I'm betting he's bringing in Fillapino workers. He likes money.06/02/2009 4:44:43 p.m. CST
cruzinlaw wrote:
The question is why haven't the Chamorros who moved to the states not coming back to take advantage of the upcoming buildup? They certainly are the first choice to being hired if and when they make themselves available. So what's the reason?So where do we sign up?06/02/2009 4:28:15 p.m. CST
cowriespots wrote:
Gov Guam is not going to be able to enforce any labor laws....nor do they want to. The posted wages in the PDN for the H2 are almost poverty level. I thought my Econ 101 class taught me that higher demand brings higher pay for services or commodities....not here on Guam, This thing is happening way to fast for Gov Guam (actually thinks they are some little nation) to adjust to. The feds won't be able to handle it. If you think that abuses are not going to rampant, you know nothing about the H2 history here. We will have yezzz bosssss rats from the stinking feces lined streets of the most enviromentally degraded country in Asia coming here without a clue as to the consequences of their presence....all they wanna do is send money home to their sh%t hole so they can reproduce, a country of cowards, lowering living, labor, and enviromental standards wherever they alight. we are enabling them and their own country is deteriorating as we do. they are lowballers to the max.06/02/2009 4:21:35 p.m. CST
donbjr95 wrote:
Replying to MilitaryGuy:
Here’s the lipnus – who do the people of Guam overwhelmingly hire on a sideline basis to do projects [that require actual skill] around their property? Right - Filipinos far and away by a huge margin, they sure as hell ain’t hiring locals to do these projects because they want quality work done.All the rest of these BS racial comments come from people who obviously rode the short bus to school and don’t have a clue. What’s more, these silly racial comments illuminate a major educational shortfall in Guam – the ability to read and interpret newsprint.Major James Gordon and the long line of former Olongapo City Mayors from his family are not speaking authoritatively at all. Gordon is merely speculating and practicing wishful thinking that Olongapo will provide the lion share of labor for the military buildup in Guam. It is his job as Mayor to try and generate business for his community – nothing more, nothing less.
Well Said!!!!!!06/02/2009 4:20:00 p.m. CST
donbjr95 wrote:
Amazing.......PDN Approaching 80 comments.........?? So..whats the final view PDN?06/02/2009 4:18:17 p.m. CST
cruzinlaw wrote:
Replying to Loadtoad:
I see lots of complaints but less action from our local people. I read comments like, "we have people who are far skilled than those H2 workers." Then I ask you, why are these skilled people not getting the job? You see my friend, those "SKILLED" people are not putting the effort to get the job. They complain a lot how the Gov is corrupt. Stop pointing fingers and instead do some actions about it. Pointing fingers won't get the job done. I think these people are just to lazy to even try to get the job. All they do is sit in their buttocks and wait for a phone call from company to hire them. Unlike this Mr. Gordon guy, he does not wait for a phone call, rather he advertise his workers. This is how you get jobs from different country. Ill end this by saying, "Stop complaining if you are not willing to put effort in"
Where does one go to find these jobs?06/02/2009 4:14:46 p.m. CST
fchase wrote:
H2 workers get anchored in Guam. Eventually they bring their wife and 8 children to Guam. The breadwinner earns $20k a year. The family vacuums up $70K in public education each year and taps into a variety of local and federal social programs. Then come additional sponsored family members. More U.S. taxpayer money gets sucked up. No one will deny that they're a hardworking, talented people but the overbreeding, poverty relationship is obviously of little or no concern. Stay in your own country and improve it? Can't. No time. Too many kids to feed. Solution? Like Mexico and Latin America.....export your poverty. Export the same breeder culture that turned your country into an economic black hole.06/02/2009 4:07:00 p.m. CST
cruzinlaw wrote:
Replying to islandboz:
Guess they have to hire more H2 workers from the P.I. Guam lack skill workers.
Guam could use more H-1 workers (skilled). Not H-2 which are unskilled by definition06/02/2009 4:00:53 p.m. CST
MilitaryGuy wrote:
Here’s the lipnus – who do the people of Guam overwhelmingly hire on a sideline basis to do projects [that require actual skill] around their property? Right - Filipinos far and away by a huge margin, they sure as hell ain’t hiring locals to do these projects because they want quality work done.All the rest of these BS racial comments come from people who obviously rode the short bus to school and don’t have a clue. What’s more, these silly racial comments illuminate a major educational shortfall in Guam – the ability to read and interpret newsprint.Major James Gordon and the long line of former Olongapo City Mayors from his family are not speaking authoritatively at all. Gordon is merely speculating and practicing wishful thinking that Olongapo will provide the lion share of labor for the military buildup in Guam. It is his job as Mayor to try and generate business for his community – nothing more, nothing less.06/02/2009 3:40:38 p.m. CST
donbjr95 wrote:
Replying to worldychamorro:
I am not familiar with the immigration laws but H-2 means temporarily but can the workers find ways to get of that status and end up staying on Guam?We need to make sure we send the foreign workers back because Guam cannot turn into another Hawaii where the locals there are the minority. I am not racist.
H2 is General NON skilled 'grunt & groan' Labor! The local Islanders here are well established and have a strong base to work from. I will NOT term they are 'Chamoro" as Moro is a Spanish term used for 'the enemy' both on Guam and in Mindanao. Spain fought bloody wars in their history with the Morros in Europe!Mindanao call themselves Bangsamorro; 'people of the Morro.' Again. this 'Morro' term is Spanish in origin and should be deleted here on Guam! I call Guam people simply..."people of Guahan"; Bangsa-Guahan?06/02/2009 3:02:42 p.m. CST
worldychamorro wrote:
I am not familiar with the immigration laws but H-2 means temporarily but can the workers find ways to get of that status and end up staying on Guam?We need to make sure we send the foreign workers back because Guam cannot turn into another Hawaii where the locals there are the minority. I am not racist.06/02/2009 2:54:36 p.m. CST
donbjr95 wrote:
Replying to islandboz:
My grudged on the Filipinos is that their government told the Americans to move out of their country, which they do not want, Americans in their country but just the money.
Check the Facts please! The USA was given an agenda for paying MORE....and the Tagalog Tribal Members of the Manila Circus Government (Not representing all of the PI) called it. The US called it back and said...'we are outta here!' Two can play poker here!!!06/02/2009 2:54:35 p.m. CST
donbjr95 wrote:
Wow! PDN has allowed the Comments to reach 70+ They usually cut it off at 20.....and then the next day news happens. Interesting here PDN. Perhaps you may address YOUR Agenda here??06/02/2009 2:49:27 p.m. CST
fchase wrote:
Replying to DaneJiRoos:
Replying to fchase:
Replying to Madantche:
i wonder whether these H2 workers will send their money off-ijsland?
Uh, yeah. The PI is a twitching corpse that gets millions of tiny cash infusions from all of it's expatriate workers. This provides the country just enough energy to breed millions of more expatriates to continue these tiny infusions. It's an economic model they stick with year after year.
Your reasoning sounds a lot like the US welfare system.
The U.S. welfare system is broken and a terrible burden to the U.S. taxpayer but has nothing to do with my reasoning.06/02/2009 2:46:53 p.m. CST
guamobserver wrote:
Replying to pinoy77:
I always cringe at these kinds of discussions where locals spit hate against foreign workers here on island. The problem is not the Filipinos trying to get jobs. The problem is the Guam Government not being able to provide support to the local workforce. The problem is poor enforcement of immigration and labor laws. The problem is locals not willing to receive minimum pay for an honest day of work.Well said. I wish that all those who make comments here seriously try and get a better grasp of the facts instead of allowing emotions to reduce their reasoning to rabid rants and raves. If unemployed statesiders really want to work here, they would've been here already. Workers from the Philippines were chosen by the Spaniards and later the Americans because they thought that culturally, Guam and Philippines are very similar.
06/02/2009 2:18:15 p.m. CST
guamobserver wrote:
Replying to islandboz:
My grudged on the Filipinos is that their government told the Americans to move out of their country, which they do not want, Americans in their country but just the money.
Didnt the Guam locals kick out the Americans by protesting their presence and trying to scale the military fences some years ago? AFter those events, NAS closed, military numbers on Guam decreased, and jobs were lost as a result. Hmm, I guess we're all in this together?06/02/2009 2:10:21 p.m. CST
islandboz wrote:
My grudged on the Filipinos is that their government told the Americans to move out of their country, which they do not want, Americans in their country but just the money.06/02/2009 1:10:39 p.m. CST
pinoy77 wrote:
I always cringe at these kinds of discussions where locals spit hate against foreign workers here on island. The problem is not the Filipinos trying to get jobs. The problem is the Guam Government not being able to provide support to the local workforce. The problem is poor enforcement of immigration and labor laws. The problem is locals not willing to receive minimum pay for an honest day of work. The problem is people wanting to get as much as possible for the least possible effort. The problem is dependence on dole outs and welfare. The problem is hypocrites crying "SAVE THE GUAM CULTURE" while they type in their comments from their cozy homes in the states. Please don't hate these foreign workers who practically work like slaves and get separated from their families just to put food on their tables. Don't hate them because they took the job that you didn't want to do. Don't hate them because their politicians find work for them, while your politicians make money out of it.06/02/2009 12:09:45 p.m. CST
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